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They really love their dogs there and are well looked after. - (one more) heterosis or hybrid vigour is a concept far more comprehensively studied in wild species with measurable fitness in their environment. How unpredictable can its appearance and temperament be? I'm aware it's not guaranteed, but was hoping someone somewhere was able to provide a puppy that fitted this bill. you post has been answered a number of times yet your arguments appear to be not to accept what you are being told how hard is it to accept that getting a puppy from someone who deliberatly cross breeds is not responsible. so australian dogs are healthy but us ones arent? She will tell you about the number of "designer breeds" she sees, where people have crossed two breeds without any thought for the inherent and known weaknesses of the breeds, and the result is a fluffy dog, with hip, hock and eye problems. Our puppies go to their new families well socialised with children and other farm animals. This happens to certain breeds only those with deformed features like pugs. Can I ask how long have you been a qualified vet? Plus, I have had a long association with cocker spaniels and poodles and their breeders. I know the OP has said no philosopical discussions but it has to be said: Spoodles, Cavoodles etc are NOT breeds, there are a host of reasons why these breeds should not be crossed, and my vet rubs her hands with glee when she sees someone with one, because the genetic issues hips, hocks, eyes, jaws are just money pits. :). The base is often poodle (gun dog) crossed with anything from other gun dog to toy (ie almost everything else). I have been watching the posts for this topic with interest over the past few weeks As a registered breeder of Cavalier King Charles Spaniels, I find it quite offensive that the breed is often the example of problematic breeding by poorly informed persons. http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/dog-lover-tim-mathieson-to-buy-julia-gillard-a-spoodle/story-fn7x8me2-1226135228817The comments are enlightening (if you like the sight of jerking knees). Don't get one unless you support the continued abuse of dogs. eg http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1751-0813.1976.tb05419.x/abstract, yeah its an old article but that shows the problem, and why these steps had to be taken. If I don't find anyone, I'll get another pet. With a crossbreed it's luck of the draw. yeah its an old article but that shows the problem, and why these steps had to be taken. The prevalence of hip dysplasia in purebred German Shepherd Dog half-siblings in 16 litters produced by parents of the crossbreeds when mated to other German Shepherd Dogs was 35% (16/46). A poodle is a highly strung neurotic dog, they have very low thresholds to things like anxiety. yes, my point of quoting that article was simply to demonstrate that there is a problem of some disease in some breeds because you stated: not to discuss the different types of hip scoring, and the use of it. The Telegraph to their credit has been running a lot of stories highlighting the horrible way most of them operate. I'm not a dog breeder, I am a trainer, I oppose designer dogs because it creates unstable dogs who quite often inherit the worst from both parents. Take a look at their bodies, that should show you the problem. For example, the documentary showed what dog breeds looked like over a hundred years ago and what they look like today (very different). There is no standard for crossbreeds because there can't be. Of course I don't accept it. It is not a common attribute for a Rottweiler. Maybe I need to define what I mean by "responsible". OP I pretty much agree with you reading the story from the Australian linked above the arguemnts seemed pretty OTT. Obviously training is not going to overcome behavioural factors caused by genetics (same for any dog, naturally). rottweilers and dobermans very commonly get cancer- oesteosarcomas, haemangiosarcoms, it was an off hand comment though, absolutely, however the problem stems from years of selective breeding for the show ring, with no regards to inherent diseases. Breeding for appearance really troubles me and I suspect this is the source of the bred-in problems purebreeds can have. and being a registered breeder doesnt mean all that much, http://www.dogzonline.com.au/pedigree_dogs.asp, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_vigor, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6833074/, http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2010/s2860605.htm, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaCl6EeiBys. Genetics don't work like this. There's a lot of info in America about "cockapoos" (as they call them). She has hers in a small backyard, takes it to the beach from about 3pm til dusk each day. That being said, it is genetic, so by knowing your lines (which all reputable breeders will) you will know whether it is in the history of the dog which then allows for an educated decision. They are a wonderful city pet smart, plucky, healthy, handsome and easy to manage in size and non-allergenic/shedding coat. They are also 2 different sized dogs with different medical histories as individual breeds. Short answer the parents might have but if crossed they are not a recognised breed as such much the same as pit bulls are not even though they are bred to be a spoodle they do not carry the recognition of a pure bred dog. And seriously, how many pet owners want or need a pedigree? Its all nonsense! On top of that look at the costs of these dogs. It's that two clashing temperaments can and have been disastrous. In my original post I attempted to head off the "comment" you mention. This is why pedigree breeders choose to keep some puppies (which look promising as stud dog etc) and sell them later as (desexed) adult dogs when they find out they've guessed wrong. I don't see the problem. Heterosis (As a 'vet' I'd have hoped you'd use the correct term for it) usually enhances one specific trait at the exclusion, or neglect, of others. I like the poodle coat and intelligence but not the neurotic temparament. - Genetics is a science where the more you learn the less you know (and we are just at the beginning of understanding all the crazy complicated things that go on), so be wary of anyone who thinks they can tell you with certainty how a dog will turn out, either pure or cross. They are the most beautiful dogs I can't walk down the street without several people stopping us to ask all about them. Of course I would. There is plenty of scientific proof that genetic diversity produces less health problems, But no proof that randomly cross bred dogs are healthier than those from a reputable breeder ;). Another wonderful thing about them is that they don't shed. The facts about puppy farms including the where Ms Gillard's puppy will be from- are disgusting. The price of those mutts on that website are outrageous." This doesn't mean their health is any less, it just means that their markings, bone structure, movement etc don't conform with the breed standard it doesn't affect them negatively in any way. Selective breeding is the interbreeding of two animals displaying the required tendency so as to produce offspring that have that particular attribute. Especially since I don't consider it purebred without a pedigree cert from the ANKC. Which highlights a division in attitude between people who breed dogs for show, and those who breed them for work. I can leave them home alone when I'm at work and they have full run of the house and back yard. some of the fun of ownership is bonding with and training the animals out of bad habits and training. Obviously training is not going to overcome behavioural factors caused by genetics (same for any dog, naturally), but exactly where do you think F1 crosses acquire those charactistics, if not from their (purebred) parents (once again, same for any dog, plant, animal or human, or any other creature that uses sexual reproduction)? *********************************************. There are many, many reviews on their website from happy customers. I work in rescue, I would know. This is why dog-people recommend adopting a designer dog to ensure that there are no surprises. She had a doberman and a dalmatian and now a Labrador. When numerical values were assigned to the pathoanatootmic and radiographic evaluations of the pelves, it was found that the severity of dysplastic changes in the crossbreeds were not significantly different from those changes in their purebred German Shepherd Dog half-siblings. Thanks for taking the time, I have a better idea of where you are coming from. so you want a spoodle my personal opinion is whatever floats your boat but calling a spoodle a breed ? He is 8 years old is healthy, well trained and I am proud to say we are purchasing a labradoodle in the next few weeks. The spaniel introduces a different temparament. They are soooo intelligent. They're completely different, which is why what is normal in one country my not be the norm in Australia. I did actually provide evidence that pure breeds to have a high prevalence if disease too, but that was ignore lol. Some good, some bad but I loved her to bits and gave her the best life that I could and she was a happy dog. http://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/abs/10.2460/javma.231.7.1076?journalCode=javma. I must add that my current dog is a rescue and she was 'road tested' in some aspects by her foster carer. I would ask what protectionist view is it protectionist to expect that dogs bred by crossing are free from inherited faults including possible behavioural problems ? Just watch in 5-10 years spoodles and other oodles will become breeds. You are looking for so called "backyard breeder" (BYB) then. Regardless nothing, even I was to accept wikipedia as an acceptable source that statement in the article is not referenced. It involves carefully thought out matings specifically breeding for a easily identifiable purpose. Realistically though there is no such thing as a "pedigree dog" other than a wolf! No, but I know what the general temperament of certain breeds are, so I know that if it has come from a reputable breeder who has selected excellent examples of the breed that I will get a dog that will have the general temperament of the breed. Just make a list of what you are looking in your dog (size, temperament, intelligence, activity level,). Prejudiced? not all cross bred dogs are backyard breeds- we have some clients that do test their cross breeds for disease too they dont have to, but they do it in the best interest of the animals, and by the same token we also have questionable cross and pure breeders. I'd like to point out the 'Bondi vet'? Pure breeds suffer from far more genetic issues than mongrel dogs. I recently bought a Cavoodle from a family from Northern NSW. Hip Displaysia is a common issue in DOGS. Threshold mixes, personality traits you have no idea what will show through in your litter when you mix two. You're not really doing too well, when are you going to provide some evidence that pedigree dogs are less healthy than their cross bred counterparts and then further to that some evidence that they suffer less temperament issues (aggression being the main one) and the social issues are lower. He specifically asked for no philisophical discussion from the pure breed bigots but that's mostly what he got! We have had friends purchase spoodles after meeting our beautiful dog. And show dogs should be, well, showing dogs should be secondary to their primary purpose and function, and the dog should be judged according to how well it fulfils that function, and less on how well it conforms to a set of (to some extent) arbitrary and subjective principles about the way it looks and moves. The entire world doesn't need to be based on pure capitalism. (eg a poor-condition puppy farm), I have seen a similar thread re spoodles in Sydney: /forum-replies.cfm?t=1581068. "I can't help being reminded of people who look down on cross-breeding across different human races." No more so than any other dog though, right? lean in favour of cross-breeding. Our focus is not only on breeding well socialised, well adjusted, happy puppies, but we also place the utmost importance on health - healthy mind AND a healthy body. Temperament wise and such. For example, billabong creek, they claim they health test but why aren't they able to supply results? The spaniel introduces a different temparament. It's a shame there are no regulations for them here, even as a crossbreed. You can not compare a study done in the US who do have worst breeding practices in the world to Australian breeders. WTF? I would be happy if we ceased breeding the pug. Try telling someone in Germany that east and west German Shepherds are the same. Breeding conditions arent regulated & range from good home to puppy farm. oh for geez sake.Why get one of these badly bred crosses?And they ARE mutts and overpriced at that.Either get a rescue and do a good deed or get a pure bred.Oh there wont be any "reputable" breeders as they are all doing it for money.I have never seen one of these mutts (thank goodness) but was talking to a girl who had two of these badly bred dogs(labrador//poddle cross).Probably bough from some lowly petshop.There is one of the trade sites here in new zealand who will delete any ads using these stupid made up "breed" names. Naturally but there again there are issues and or conditions that even vets are unsure about but in general we test for breed specific issues those that we know about and some we are yet to find out about. I don't know which camp to trust on the pure vs cross breed issue. Our kennel is based in a rural setting with professional facilities. Interesting theory, I'm not sure what its basis in fact is though. They are happy dogs look health and no issues. Billi and Paddy are so cute and have some obvious similarities being first cross breeds but also have clear distinctions one is white, the other is gold, one has a curly coat the other a wavy coat. You may not want a philosophical discussion but too bad, it's bad for the dog and bad for the owner. Which she attributed to an English import some years back. the problem is, when I get buy a purebred poodle or spaniel from a breeder, I have the confidence knowing that both its parents have a clean bill of health without any genetic problems etc and that there's a good chance I can check them both out myself, no you dont, you have some information about some specific disease. I have to admit that it's difficult to understand the logic behind people who claim that widening the pool by cross breeding is bad for dogs. 2. Its not philosophical, its fact. So when people ask me, did you breed the first labradoodle, I say: Its true, I did, but its not exactly something Im proud of doing.. PRCD). She also had major hemorrhaging at 10 (caused by an inherent autoimmune disease), in which both the vets and family did not expect her to pull through. Both poodles and cocker spaniels can have problems with their eyes, and spoodles may develop weepy eyes which this should be watched as it may indicate an infection. By the way, if you think I am completely pro-purebred pedigreed dogs then it might interest you to know I was banned from dogzonline (Australias largest pedigree dog community) for how critical I am of some breeders breeding practices. Cephalopd-I completely agree with you on the problems of crossing various breeds seemingly at random. That is a protectionist view, not a fact. You've gotten lucky, not everyone does. which is not true either. It's a shame that puppy farms aren't regulated seriously, too. LOL. Really ! by the same token we also have questionable cross and pure breeders. Some crosses will fix problems, others will introduce problems. there are many other example for other breeds. Its about them beign sick of watching ignorant people create dogs with nothing but health problems. The guy who started the fad with labradoodles has come out saying it was the biggest mistake of his life. I can highly recommend them. What reputable company would sell to someone who only has a spare $25 a week! But factually you can never know unless you decide to test yourself however what breeder in their right mind would test a cross bred dog when the tests can be expensive at best and inconclusive at worst. There is nothing wrong with a professional using a resource like Wikipedia to aid a layman. Such problems are rife among the breeds lauded at dog shows. Our dogs and puppies are part of our family life and enjoy a relaxed lifestyle on the property; swimming in the dams and playing in the open grassy fields. Even a spoodle could have a pedigree. Yes, they were. We have 2 spoodles who are now nearly 5 years old and were purchased from Billabong Creek Puppy Farm in East Gippsland.
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